… goes back to at least Plato- we just didn’t have cars, watches and computers as a unit of measure. And I suspect no one wants to say this, but the practice of Baptism was likely the practice of literally drowning people in order to induce a near death experience so people can see the other side of life with their own eyes. How many people say, ‘I’ll believe it when I see it.” Okay, come to the river with me.